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Date : 06-04-2015




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[02:11:01] <icarito> bernie, !sugarlabssystemsalert
[02:11:23] <icarito> rgs, do youhave access to justice
[02:11:26] <icarito> rgs, do youhave access to justice?
[03:57:42] <jo0nas> icarito: thanks
[03:58:06] <icarito> jo0nas, you
[03:58:21] <jo0nas> oh - aren't you up late?
[04:29:52] <jo0nas> icarito: I think I found the bug in 0.104 packaging - now compiling and crossing fingers...
[04:30:54] <icarito> jo0nas, :-) yup pretty late
[04:56:22] <icarito> jo0nas, worth the good news :-)
[04:56:34] <icarito> we're up finishing our home wide migration to jessie
[04:56:48] <icarito> taking oportunity to tidy up files
[04:57:02] <jo0nas> ohh, nice
[04:57:08] * icarito is impressed with debian jessie
[04:57:43] <jo0nas> that's a good start :-)
[05:08:37] <jo0nas> icarito: try update and upgrade sugar packages - 0.104 might work now
[05:09:00] * jo0nas gets out of bed and into the livingroom and tries himself
[05:14:47] <icarito> still getting GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.sugarlabs.font' is not installed
[05:21:12] <jo0nas> :-(
[05:22:16] <jo0nas> icarito: which version of sugar-session do you have installed? You should have 0.104.1-2~0jones1
[05:23:06] <icarito> jo0nas, I have ii sugar-session-0.98
[05:23:31] <icarito> apt upgrade didn't upgrade
[05:24:18] <jo0nas> ah
[05:24:45] <icarito> sudo apt install sugar-session-0.104 updated a lot of stuff now
[05:26:10] <jo0nas> that might be enough, but possibly the more reliable way to switch major branch is to install sucrose-0.104, which pulls in other parts
[05:26:56] <jo0nas> it is a bug if other approaches lead to broken half-switched environment, however - so please do tell if something is odd (rather than silently correcting)
[05:28:08] * jo0nas uses frontend aptitude so run into different upgrade issues than when using e.g. apt frontend
[05:28:28] <icarito> jo0nas, I don't see it as a likely scenario anyone updating from previous sucrose on debian, not on production environments
[05:28:51] <jo0nas> depends on your definition of "anyone"!
[05:29:34] <icarito> can't install sucrose-0.104
[05:29:45] <icarito> as I said, at least in production
[05:29:54] <jo0nas> I guess you mean that you care only about the one specific userbase of this deployment
[05:30:03] <icarito> not really
[05:30:28] <icarito> but I guess you are right taht it is impossible to estimate if there is an installed base of sucrose
[05:30:35] <icarito> does it show in popcon?
[05:30:49] <jo0nas> sugar is barely used in Debian
[05:31:06] <icarito> that is my point
[05:31:11] <icarito> not this one deployment
[05:31:19] <jo0nas> what shows in popcon is likely installations pulled in by DebianEdu but totally unused
[05:31:25] <icarito> i do care about debian ;-)
[05:32:20] <jo0nas> I care about packages _generally_ working, as that raises the chances of some oddball weird user (in the broader definition of that term, also covering power users!) reporting bugs or even offering patches
[05:33:05] <icarito> jo0nas, why do you keep old sucrose around? 3 releases seems overkill
[05:33:13] <icarito> sugar hasn't changed much
[05:33:14] <icarito> at all
[05:33:16] <jo0nas> try mark all sugar packages as auto-installed, and then try install sucrose-0.104
[05:33:56] <jo0nas> because you unsubscribed from the list instead of telling there which was suitable to keep :-P
[05:34:40] <jo0nas> someone (possibly you, many years ago) pointed out that large deployments where using 0.84 so that was good to keep around (back then)
[05:34:53] <jo0nas> since then I have had noone guide me in which versions to keep
[05:37:38] <icarito> I still get http://pastie.org/10076032
[05:38:08] <jo0nas> oh
[05:38:25] <jo0nas> I was unaware that package was too recent to be in Jessie
[05:38:37] <jo0nas> hold on, I will backport that...
[05:38:44] <jo0nas> or wait
[05:38:57] <jo0nas> I will check if it can be only recommended instead...
[05:41:11] <jo0nas> icarito: ahh - Maliit _is_ optional, but the purpose of sucrose is to enforce also optional packages
[05:41:45] <jo0nas> try install sugar-session-0.104 instead!
[05:41:59] <jo0nas> ...just as you did before... :-P
[05:44:11] <jo0nas> oh - Maliit is only experimental even - I will relax package relations accordingly!
[05:45:48] <icarito> looks like also a missing dependency on some kind of python webkit binding http://paste.debian.net/165210/
[05:50:35] <icarito> probably one of ir1.2-webkit*
[05:50:41] <icarito> gir1.2-webkit*
[05:51:32] <jo0nas> that was supposed to be pulled in by python-sugar3 - which version of that do you have installed?
[05:51:36] <icarito> got it, it was missing gir1.2-webkit-3.0
[05:51:57] <jo0nas> you should *not* need to install dependencies manually!
[05:52:13] <icarito> 0.104.1-2~0jones1
[05:52:16] <jo0nas> ...but you should make sure that _all_ the packages are up-to-date
[05:52:45] <jo0nas> ah
[05:53:09] <jo0nas> did you have _any_ gir1.2-webkit packages installed?
[05:54:01] <jo0nas> seems a certain variant of that gir package is expected - I require any of three variants
[05:55:29] <icarito> ok after that I got ImportError: No module named gwebsockets.server
[05:55:47] <icarito> I'm going to get some rest
[05:55:51] <icarito> thanks for your efforts!
[05:56:13] <jo0nas> talk later
[05:57:01] <icarito> have a good day
[07:53:43] <GitHub75> [sugar-toolkit-gtk3] godiard closed pull request #201: Don't break activity startup if activity info have 'class' instead of 'e... (master...activity_compat) http://git.io/veOPX
[07:54:10] <GitHub5> [sugar-toolkit-gtk3] godiard opened pull request #202: Don't break activity startup if .info have 'class' instead of 'exec' (master...try-2) http://git.io/veBsT
[09:55:15] <meeting> * icarito-es has joined
[10:07:28] <jo0nas> icarito: With current Sucrose I had a succesful login!
[10:40:16] <meeting> * alumno-53d5-es has joined
[10:41:42] <meeting> alumno-53d5
[12:41:23] <bernie> ignacio: hey, do you have any large files you could delete from your home on sunjammer?
[12:41:30] <bernie> ignacio: i'm trying to save space for backups
[12:41:59] <bernie> icarito, m_anish, mtd: same for you
[12:43:11] <bernie> (i'm just going after users with large home dirs, i'm not looking at your private files)
[12:59:07] <icarito> bernie, got nothing to hide :-p
[12:59:16] <icarito> if I did, you wouldn't find it
[12:59:39] <icarito> bernie, get me access to justice please
[13:00:18] * icarito freed up 12GB of old hexoquinasa builds
[13:28:44] <meeting> hello As these *i that do
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[13:30:21] <meeting> To as these
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[13:39:13] <katiaoviedo-29a4> que haces
[13:39:51] katiaoviedo-29a4 is now known as aranzasofiaovied
[13:39:59] <meeting> hello
[13:40:37] <aranzasofiaovied> hola como estas y que haces
[13:42:07] <meeting> hello
[13:42:09] <katiaoviedo-29a4> hola
[13:42:46] <meeting> As these
[13:42:53] <katiaoviedo-29a4> que
[13:45:56] <katiaoviedo-29a4> no te entiendo
[13:46:14] <meeting> As these
[13:46:29] <katiaoviedo-29a4> que quiere decir eso
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[13:47:00] <meeting> To go out what *podes do the best
[13:48:19] <meeting> hello As these
[13:49:22] <katiaoviedo-29a4> hello
[13:49:37] <meeting> That do
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[13:50:52] <katiaoviedo-29a4> COMO ESTAS Y QUE HACES]
[13:52:26] <katiaoviedo-29a4> HOLA
[14:08:32] <meeting> hello
[14:08:42] <katiaoviedo-29a4> hello
[14:09:08] <meeting> As these
[14:11:41] <meeting> * katiaoviedo-29a4 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[14:12:02] <bernie> icarito: sunjammer:~# remote-useradd justice icarito adm sudo libvirtd
[14:12:09] <bernie> icarito: Creating user icarito on justice...
[14:18:00] <icarito> bernie, gracias
[14:18:05] <bernie> icarito: do you know how to setup wizbackup?
[14:20:12] <icarito> bernie, nope, i'd learn it
[14:22:15] <bernie> icarito: i just refreshed the documentation page in the wiki
[14:22:22] <bernie> icarito: check it out
[14:23:07] <bernie> ignacio: ping
[14:23:54] <bernie> ignacio: something's wrong with your irc.py script
[14:23:59] <bernie> ignacio: http://fpaste.org/207682/44618142/
[14:24:11] <bernie> ignacio: be careful with fork bombs on sunjammer, you risk causing an outage
[14:28:12] <icarito> bernie, will do
[14:38:42] <meeting> ?
[14:39:02] <rgs> icarito: not sure
[14:39:22] <rgs> icarito: i do
[14:42:37] <meeting> HELLO THAT DO
[14:42:42] <katiaoviedo-29a4> HELLO
[14:43:01] <meeting> AS THESE
[14:43:18] <katiaoviedo-29a4> AAAAAA AHORA SI ENTENDI
[15:32:54] <Abhishek> gonzalo_: ping !
[15:51:44] jeid64_ is now known as jeid64
[16:17:47] <gonzalo_> Abhishek, pong
[16:24:23] <Abhishek> gonzalo_: do we need volo to create web activity. why cant the template has necessary files at the start itself.
[16:26:26] jeid64_ is now known as jeid64
[16:30:29] <Abhishek> gonzalo_: how do i configure the toolkit so that activity gets created with the present template inside sugar build instead of fetching it from Downloading: https://codeload.github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-web/legacy.zip/master
[16:34:27] <gonzalo_> Abhishek, i don't know :(
[17:03:43] <jo0nas> icarito: good evening (in Denmark) - have you had time to look at the Sucrose packages?
[17:09:57] <icarito> jo0nas, I have, only briefly!
[17:10:09] <icarito> I can confirm that it's running
[17:10:13] <jo0nas> phew
[17:10:15] <jo0nas> :-D
[17:10:16] <icarito> :-)
[17:10:21] <icarito> yes!
[17:10:32] <jo0nas> I know this is just a start, but it is :-)
[17:10:42] <icarito> it's a great start
[17:11:11] <icarito> i'm supposed to be cooking lol
[17:11:42] <icarito> i know your time will be worth it
[17:13:54] * icarito will learn to package my activities as debian packages
[17:13:57] <icarito> does that make sense?
[17:14:05] <icarito> the .xo format is really crappy
[17:16:39] <bernie> jo0nas: hey, long time no see!
[17:17:01] <bernie> jo0nas: (we met once at 1CC OLPC headquarters several years ago)
[17:20:21] <jo0nas> hi bernie!
[17:21:05] <jo0nas> yup, I sure remember you - I visited your home too - and was surprised to find Mako on your fridge :-)
[17:22:39] <jo0nas> icarito: yes, I will love to guide you in packaging activities as .deb packages - and to help put them in Debian officially too!
[17:23:55] <icarito> super!
[17:29:47] <GitHub103> [sugar-toolkit-gtk3] SAMdroid-apps pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/veuRc
[17:29:47] <GitHub103> sugar-toolkit-gtk3/master a43b972 Gonzalo Odiard: Don't break activity startup if .info have 'class' instead of 'exec'...
[17:29:47] <GitHub103> sugar-toolkit-gtk3/master 5977218 Sam Parkinson: Merge branch 'godiard-try-2'
[17:29:48] <GitHub88> [sugar-toolkit-gtk3] SAMdroid-apps closed pull request #202: Don't break activity startup if .info have 'class' instead of 'exec' (master...try-2) http://git.io/veBsT
[17:38:28] <bernie> jo0nas: mako and i are good friends, but he moved to the west coast so we don't meet very often nowadays
[17:38:47] <jo0nas> you still live in Boston?
[17:39:31] <bernie> jo0nas: yes, and i run a communal living house similar to the acetarium in spirit
[17:42:16] <jo0nas> :-)
[17:42:46] <jo0nas> I now live on a small island with my long time girlfriend
[17:44:44] <jo0nas> we live exactly here (zoom out to get a feel for the size of the island): https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2637311466
[17:48:51] <Quozl`_> i'm on a different island. an isolated farm, nearest neighbour 5km away, nearest village 15km away. ;-) it rained yesterday, so the dirt-road network is down.
[17:51:00] <icarito> we call southamerica our island :-)
[17:57:30] <jo0nas> heh
[17:59:23] <jo0nas> Quozl`_: that indeed sounds like a different kind of island - nowhere in Denmark do we have such luxury of kilometers of solitude space
[18:05:18] jeid64_ is now known as jeid64
[18:05:54] <Quozl`_> jo0nas: indeed. distance to sydney is 450km. 445km of that is rain resistant road.
[18:06:06] <tch__> gonzalo_, ping
[18:28:25] <Quozl`_> gonzalo_: ping
[18:29:58] <gonzalo_> pong Quozl`_, tch__
[18:30:25] <Quozl`_> thanks, checking for reubencaron.
[18:31:01] <tch__> Quozl`_, gonzalo_ great, :)
[18:31:35] <Quozl`_> if no reubencaron: then i propose tomorrow 2.5 hours earlier.
[18:32:21] <tch__> Quozl`_, it works for me
[18:33:00] <Quozl`_> tch__: by the way, if i'm not in #sugar, you can also find me in #olpc-devel on irc.oftc.net.
[18:33:31] <tch__> quaid, ACK
[18:34:13] <tch__> Quozl`_, ^
[18:34:17] <Quozl`_> ;-)
[18:34:59] <Quozl`_> tch__: do you have skype? reuben and i have been using skype, because it is what the deployments are happy to use, but we can also use google hangout.
[18:35:52] <tch__> Quozl`_, I do, will send you the details via email
[18:37:26] <gonzalo_> Quozl`_, tomorrow 2.5 hours earlier is better for me
[18:38:28] <Quozl`_> gonzalo_: okay, same here.
[21:25:37] <bernie> ignacio: ping
[21:25:40] <bernie> tch__: hey
[21:33:10] <bernie> ignacio: please run 'ps afxu | grep ignacio' on sunjammer
[21:39:26] <rgs> bernie: o/
[21:41:48] <bernie> rgs: hey dude
[21:46:22] <rgs> bernie: what are you up to?
[22:07:07] <bernie> rgs: working and working
[22:07:15] <bernie> rgs: also rescuing SL backups
[22:13:38] <bernie> satellit: ping
[22:14:14] <bernie> satellit: is there anything you could delete from your public_html? We're running low of space for backups.
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