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Date : 14-03-2015

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[05:18:56] <vikramahuja1001_> Hello, anyone here?
[06:41:56] <aj__> I hello I have just installed sugar dev envireonment and I am getting message - "your Journal is empty" when I run sugar environment
[06:42:04] <aj__> any solution for this
[06:42:22] <aj__> also I need some guidance on how to use this sugar environemnt
[06:42:32] <aj__> please can someone help me with ot
[06:42:34] <aj__> it*
[06:43:01] <aj__> or point me to a doc or tutorial so that I can get familiar with sugar
[06:43:38] <aj__> I don't know how to use/download different activies, please can someone help me with it too?
[06:53:15] <Abhishek> aj__: what error u getting ?
[06:53:31] <Abhishek> can u plz give a screenshot to me ?
[06:53:45] <Abhishek> or cmd logs on fpaste
[06:53:52] <aj__> Abhishek: it was "your Journal is empty" but then I restarted the sugar shell
[06:54:00] <aj__> and then run it again
[06:54:05] <aj__> now it is not showing it
[06:54:26] <aj__> Abhishek: but please can you help me in using activities
[06:54:48] <aj__> as per I know we need to first download htem
[06:54:57] <aj__> then after downloaidng what?
[06:55:08] <Abhishek> yeah go to browse activity
[06:55:22] <Abhishek> and click on activities on top right corner
[06:55:49] <Abhishek> in the search bar type the activity name u wanna download
[06:56:02] <Abhishek> aj__:
[06:57:13] <aj__> Abhishek: okay, I am doing that ! Thanks
[06:57:30] <aj__> Abhishek: also please can you help me in knowing more about sugar env
[06:57:47] <aj__> other than playing with it what else you think I should do?
[06:57:50] <Abhishek> aj__: alright
[07:00:12] <aj__> Abhishek: can you please point out me to any web page to start wit sugar?
[07:03:22] <Abhishek> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki aj__:
[07:03:37] <Abhishek> aj__: developer.sugarlabs.org
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[07:04:12] <aj__> Abhishek: thanks
[08:01:30] <BoqueteM> Hay.
[09:13:26] <jairath> walterbender, ping
[09:20:46] <walterbender> jairath, pong
[09:21:23] <jairath> walterbender, I replied to your comments in that document
[09:21:28] <jairath> walterbender, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xur1B4AXCpeFTGUkrnhNuozyDgeNYkXt38La9wXQIN8/edit
[09:21:34] * walterbender looks
[09:23:53] <walterbender> jairath, I suspect we could have some sort of token that is passed into to authenticate the room (token could be generated by the teacher, for example)
[09:24:01] <walterbender> re privacy, that is harder
[09:24:08] <ignacio> BoqueteM, ping
[09:24:20] <walterbender> ignacio, how is school?
[09:24:41] <ignacio> walterbender, booooooooooooooooooored, too many hours for me.. 13:00 -> 23:45
[09:24:55] <walterbender> ouch
[09:24:58] <walterbender> long day
[09:25:12] <ignacio> yeah.. I want holidays again :P
[09:26:31] <BoqueteM> Sup
[09:27:05] <Abhishek> jairath: walterbender i read sugar web collaboration nice, we can emit user info based on unique socket id.
[09:27:44] <Abhishek> infact u can broadcast them too to different rooms
[09:28:59] <jairath> Abhishek, yes we can but I wanted to know if there is an existing way for the web activity developers to have user info which can be associated with given socket id
[09:32:07] <jairath> walterbender, see this and let me know if it is too much for given situation https://docs.google.com/document/d/18cfaOtRpd9nlyIBpQd8CsFer6b0Zgxf8Vhj0AsHdj-g/edit?usp=sharing
[09:32:11] <Abhishek> jairath: whom informations u want activity developers to gather ?
[09:32:31] <jairath> Abhishek, user's information
[09:33:20] <Abhishek> jairath: who are the users ? Are they in the chat rooms ? or are they some static users on some URI ?
[09:33:39] <jairath> anyone using the activity
[09:34:07] <vikramahuja1001_> walterbender: ping
[09:35:25] <walterbender> vikramahuja1001_, pong
[09:36:41] <vikramahuja1001_> walterbender: Hello, I was wondering if there is any way to trigger or start an activity by command line?
[09:38:39] <walterbender> vikramahuja1001_, there is a sugar-launcher
[09:39:20] <walterbender> happy Pi Day by the way
[09:39:32] <walterbender> 3.12.15 :)
[09:39:35] <vikramahuja1001_> Ya happy pie day.
[09:39:50] <ignacio> In our country, we say 12/3/15
[09:39:51] <Abhishek> jairath: so u mean if at given time 't' emit to admins panels room the details and count of users using that activity ? Ofcourse u can get the broswer details of user if there is no login concept in activity.
[09:39:51] <walterbender> err 3.14 :)
[09:39:54] <walterbender> oy
[09:40:00] <ignacio> *14/3/15 or anyway
[09:40:19] <walterbender> ignacio, then you get no pie today
[09:40:28] <ignacio> :(
[09:40:46] <Abhishek> walterbender: is today 14th march ?
[09:41:01] <walterbender> Abhishek, yes, all day :)
[09:41:41] <Abhishek> hahah, happy pie day, 3.14.2015 :p err, i couldn't feel it at all :/
[09:42:44] <vikramahuja1001_> walterbender: sugar-launcher?
[09:43:00] <walterbender> vikramahuja1001_, I think that is what it is called
[09:43:06] <walterbender> haven't used it in ages
[09:43:10] <walterbender> may not work any more
[09:43:35] <Abhishek> jairath: http://fpaste.org/197940/34055214/
[09:45:24] <Abhishek> but this might not give u unique details so having a login feature to activity & then fetch the information looks a better solution to me
[09:48:33] <jairath> Abhishek, this is not an activity but an underlying collaboration framework using which activity developers can make web activities shareable
[09:51:42] <vikramahuja1001_> walterbender: Where can i get the details of how exactly sugar works, i.e., what exactly happens when ./osbuild run, or what or where exactly things change when we run an activity. Is there some documentation or manual that i can refer to?
[09:54:05] <Abhishek> jairath: this is a chat program where u have a room with activity developers & in the chat room you want a realtime( or may be registered users) details of users using the activity r8 ?
[09:54:15] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Hello sir! I recently uploaded my 2nd activity for sugarlabs on python(pygame).. Could you please review it and make it public?
[09:54:50] <jairath> No
[09:54:59] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, is the the falling game?
[09:55:15] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Yes sir! :)
[09:55:28] <walterbender> did you respond to my comments?
[09:55:29] <iamutkarsh> how is it?
[09:56:08] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir i dont know where to look for reviewers' comments..?
[09:56:36] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, I responded to the original request to make it public. You should have gotten an email?
[09:56:50] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, please "sugarize" the activity icon
[09:57:00] <Abhishek> jairath: okay cool, btw this was something built on sugarizer http://server.sugarizer.org/activities/ChatPrototype.activity/index.html?aid=0bd05535-5ee2-4d30-88f7-72a978c08197&a=org.sugarlabs.ChatPrototype&n=ChatPrototype
[09:57:33] <walterbender> and please find a different word for "hell" as that word is offensive to some people and it adds no value.
[09:58:12] <jairath> Abhishek, Yeah I saw this, it uses web scokets
[10:00:02] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Oh sir! sorry sir! actually the real game had that word as the game level name...i wiil surely look into it and fix it up...sir do i need to change that word in my code too..? because i used it as a variable too.
[10:01:19] <tch__> jairath, take a look at https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/blob/master/server/presence.js
[10:01:48] <tch__> jairath, https://github.com/tchx84/sugar-web-collaboration/blob/master/server.js
[10:02:19] <tch__> jairath, might give you a starting pint
[10:02:24] <tch__> s/pint/point/g
[10:03:33] <jairath> tch__, sure
[10:09:43] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir could you please guide me on how to sugarize the game icon?
[10:19:09] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, look at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_iconify
[10:55:55] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir i have fixed that 'hell' word in all the files and the images of that ,game and changed it to 'fear' ..i have also replaced the 'preview' images with the new edited one with no 'hell' word in them.
[10:56:23] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir please review it and let me know if there are still some shortcomings?
[11:05:27] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, thx
[11:07:07] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir please dont thank me! You are elder than me...and my mentor too.. i will do whatever you may ask me :)
[11:08:40] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, did you upload a new version?
[11:09:20] <walterbender> because the version I just downloaded seemed unmodified
[11:12:58] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir i deleted the previous file..and uploaded a new. Sorry sir..actually i didnt want my new activity to hava second version added to at it's first launch..it might add a negative impression on the kids..sorry.
[11:13:21] <walterbender> I'll try grabbing it again
[11:15:18] <jairath> tch__, what is the need of web-collaboration when we have 'presence'?
[11:21:16] <jairath> walterbender, can you tell me what was the need of web-collaboration when we have presence
[11:21:59] <jairath> walterbender, i mean web-collaboration in socket.io
[11:22:15] <walterbender> jairath, because the web activites have no access to the presence service and we'd like stand-alone (outside of Sugar) collaboration
[11:24:00] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir did you try it?
[11:24:35] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, not yet
[11:27:32] <jairath> walterbender, but this https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/blob/master/server/presence.js implements collaboration in web as well
[11:38:59] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, not sure why, but I cannot see the changes in the file I download from a.sl.o
[11:39:13] <walterbender> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/downloads/file/29086/make_them_fall-1.xo
[11:39:33] <walterbender> can you sugarize the icon in buttons too?
[11:41:28] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir please run the game..and you'll se that there is no place where you could find 'hell' word..and if you will extract the game files...in the code also i have replaced the 'hell' word with 'fear'.
[11:42:09] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, I believe you but somehow the version I have been downloading is the old one... not sure why
[11:42:17] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: I did it too. :) Just few minutes back i sugarized the icon for buttons too..and uploaded it v3 on sugar store. :)
[11:43:14] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir let me check wherther the new .xo i uploaded for 'makethemfall' is properly uploaded or not.
[11:43:30] <Abhishek> is thr some special name for "a depricated apache configuration file " ?
[11:43:36] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, and the icon??
[11:44:01] <walterbender> Abhishek, no idea what you are referring to
[11:44:06] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir i have sugararized the icons of both "buttons" and "makethem" !
[11:44:49] <walterbender> iamutkarsh, tx
[11:44:52] <walterbender> thx
[11:45:14] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sir please dont thank me.. it's my responsibity
[11:45:17] <walterbender> but now to figure out why the files I downloaded don't have the updates :P
[11:51:05] <ignacio> walterbender, you removed the admin/mod permissions in aslo of my account?
[11:51:22] <ignacio> & translator
[12:08:31] <exploreshaifali> walterbender, hello
[12:08:44] <exploreshaifali> walterbender, I am reading more about git and stuff
[12:09:03] <exploreshaifali> walterbender, do you have any other suggestions that I should do for now?
[12:10:32] <walterbender> exploreshaifali, nothing for the moment
[12:11:09] <walterbender> exploreshaifali, maybe make some turtleblocks projects :)
[12:11:37] <exploreshaifali> lol
[12:11:41] <exploreshaifali> yes yes sure
[12:11:43] <exploreshaifali> walterbender, I am planning to build the backend in shell script, will that okay?
[12:12:25] <exploreshaifali> walterbender, or better I should also explore stuff for building same in Python too!
[12:12:59] <exploreshaifali> walterbender, but since git is build in shell script I think building it in shell only will be more better
[12:13:07] <exploreshaifali> what you say?
[12:13:41] <walterbender> exploreshaifali, which ever you are more comfortable with.
[12:14:35] <exploreshaifali> walterbender, I am more confortable in Python than shell script but learning shell script along with git stiff will not be a pain at all if it works better with shell scripts!
[12:15:05] <exploreshaifali> walterbender, and I got your answer - in which I am comfortable
[12:15:17] <exploreshaifali> so okay! I will look at it :)
[12:16:17] <exploreshaifali> walterbender, okay Thanks!
[12:23:29] <abhinav> walterbender, ping
[12:31:05] <walterbender> abhinav, pong
[12:31:29] <abhinav> walterbender, lets get started on unit tests :)
[12:32:06] <abhinav> walterbender, Frankly speaking I have not done unit tests before
[12:32:32] <abhinav> though I read about it and I have got the idea about how to go about it
[12:32:55] <abhinav> but i would appreciate if u guide me on how to start the best way
[12:33:11] <walterbender> abhinav, did you read the issue report that Sam wrote?
[12:33:22] <abhinav> so that I dont wander much and start the work asap
[12:33:40] <abhinav> walterbender, no
[12:33:46] <walterbender> abhinav, I thought we should try the approach recommended for EaselJS project
[12:33:49] <walterbender> abhinav, one sec
[12:33:52] <abhinav> I will just go through in the mean time
[12:34:35] <walterbender> https://github.com/walterbender/turtleblocksjs/issues/148
[12:56:57] <abhinav> walterbender, intern seems good. going ahead with that
[13:50:29] <iamutkarsh> walterbender: Sorry sir i had to go for some urgent work! sir did you review the v3 of "buttons" ?
[15:34:11] <jairath> tch__, ping
[15:38:15] <tch__> jairath, pong
[15:50:35] <jairath> tch__, i went through suggested projects
[15:52:15] <jairath> tch__, why are we developing collaboration using socket.io when we already have presence.js in place
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[20:53:55] <meeting> *marica
[21:11:53] <k_yash1> walterbender, ping
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