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Date : 28-02-2015

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[00:12:01] <Abhishek> samdroid: https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/bundle this has caching issue on current website http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ . Everytime it is being fetched from network instead of local disk. need to fix this.
[03:17:10] <cblinks> hello
[06:46:25] <Abhishek> Hello everyone, why everyone kind of calm :p
[08:15:15] <Boquete_> Hello.
[08:15:20] <Boquete_> darkprince ping
[09:00:54] ty221_ is now known as Guest2318
[09:01:12] Guest2318 is now known as ty221
[09:57:47] <darkprince> Bouqete ping
[10:00:30] <ty221> darkprince: Do you have any suggestion to website?
[10:01:42] <darkprince> Hi ty221
[10:01:53] <darkprince> Yesterday I saw you guys talking about the website
[10:01:56] <darkprince> http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ is this yours?
[10:02:17] <ty221> darkprince: Yeah
[10:02:52] <darkprince> I think you improved that loading animation too. This one is better.
[10:03:22] <darkprince> And I think since sugar is for kids I think the site should look just a little more playful and attractive to the eye :)
[10:03:24] <Boquete> Ty221 did you already implent new one, working?
[10:03:44] <Boquete> Yes Darkprince you are right :)
[10:04:16] <darkprince> Bouqete, yesterday it was an animation with a bar. Today it's that circle thing. I guess it looks better
[10:04:22] <ty221> darkprince: Do you have any suggestion how to make it better?
[10:04:44] <ty221> darkprince: Which version of UI you like more? https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs or http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
[10:04:53] <Boquete> Yes darkprince but it will be changed too. This one was pure CSS and need to change it.
[10:05:38] <darkprince> ty221: the second one looks better too me
[10:06:14] <ty221> darkprince: Thank you :-) This is this one created by my and Boquete :D
[10:06:21] <ty221> However we're still working on it
[10:06:37] <ty221> If you're interested in helping us, your suggestions will be very welcome
[10:06:42] <darkprince> So for that eye-candy thing I was talking about. I think we can use Javascript libraries like d3.js. And we can add some small playful details to the site
[10:07:02] <darkprince> like when click the "S" of the sugarlabs it jumps
[10:07:11] <darkprince> or just hover mouse over it, not click
[10:07:33] <darkprince> I am not sure if it will be liked by everyone but I liked those things when I was a kid :D
[10:08:16] <ty221> :-)
[10:08:17] <ty221> Okej
[10:08:19] <ty221> ok *
[10:08:38] <ty221> However we should avoid external libraries as them make website slower
[10:08:46] <darkprince> Can you tell me how do you see the site in the future? What kind of features do you want to add to it?
[10:09:36] <Boquete> ty221: have you got this Page which you show as example in The Email?
[10:09:45] <darkprince> Just a question, I think angular.js can help make nice things and at the same time reduce loading time too :)
[10:09:48] <Boquete> For Blind pepople
[10:10:16] <Boquete> There were few animations i liked
[10:14:02] <Boquete> ty221:
[10:15:43] <ty221> Boquete:
[10:15:51] <Boquete> You got that Page?
[10:15:57] <ty221> nop
[10:16:10] <darkprince> One more thing, but I think you guys are already onto it. You should add that sugarlabs mouse cursor to the site.
[10:16:46] <ty221> oh
[10:16:56] <ty221> this is thing which irritaties me on wiki :p
[10:17:01] <ty221> However we can consider this
[10:17:04] <darkprince> would it look good? what do you think?
[10:17:08] <ty221> Boquete: wat u think?
[10:17:23] <ty221> darkprince: as I told it irritates me on wiki, cuz its to big
[10:17:25] <ty221> xD
[10:17:28] <Boquete> I think its really bad
[10:17:35] <Boquete> I hate that bitch xd
[10:17:54] <darkprince> lets drop it then :P
[10:18:05] <ty221> Boquete: take care about your words
[10:18:07] <ty221> xD
[10:18:08] <Boquete> Maybe we fill find some candy and childy too but not so anoying
[10:18:26] <Boquete> Da da
[10:19:12] <ty221> I agree
[10:19:28] <ty221> We dropped animations, they were childy :p
[10:19:45] <Boquete> We can add few but more funny
[10:19:47] <Tharindu_> Tharindu_: ping
[10:20:00] <Boquete> Like some ... Some Images
[10:20:08] <ty221> Tharindu_: lol... self pinging?
[10:20:10] <Boquete> Lab Images or something
[10:20:13] <darkprince> How much work is left for you guys?
[10:20:38] <ty221> darkprince: I think it is up to Boquete and community's suggestions
[10:20:39] <darkprince> Bouqete: A lab for kids? Like in that cartoon dexters lab? xD
[10:20:43] <ty221> He is designer
[10:20:57] <ty221> Boquete: We have some images - you can check them here http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/assets/
[10:21:01] <Boquete> I cant take in words xd
[10:21:08] <Tharindu_> ty221: lol.. mistake
[10:21:24] <ty221> Tharindu_: No problem. Just suprise for me xD
[10:21:25] <Boquete> Perfect example was that Page that ty221 Lost
[10:21:33] <Boquete> I have it on PC i think
[10:21:46] <ty221> Boquete: what was this page about?
[10:21:56] <darkprince> ty221: about the loading animation in the beginning. Does it take time for actually loading things? Or have you fixed a particular time the animation will display before the page loads?
[10:22:08] <Tharindu_> ty221: I am new to Sugar.
[10:22:08] <sugarbot> Tharindu_, Hi! Why don't you check out this: http://developer.sugarlabs.org/what-can-i-do.md.html
[10:22:34] <ty221> darkprince: Yes it is really loading things. In disapperars on window.ready jQuery function
[10:22:44] <darkprince> cool :)
[10:22:47] <Boquete> Its broken now i think
[10:23:00] <Boquete> I mean we will change it few hours
[10:23:08] <Boquete> I need to back Home first :)
[10:23:15] <ty221> Yeah it is broken now
[10:23:21] <ty221> Paritaly
[10:23:29] <ty221> We'll change it
[10:23:32] <ty221> Boquete: where are u?
[10:23:35] <darkprince> If there's any kind of mini task I can help you guys out with I'll try my best. I'll be active on IRC now that I am over with my exams :)
[10:23:42] <Boquete> Im on car wash
[10:23:46] <Boquete> Sure
[10:23:53] <ty221> darkprince: Hmmm... Boquete can tell you something
[10:23:57] <ty221> I am just implementing
[10:24:01] <ty221> He invents :D
[10:24:09] <Boquete> darkprince: u are from?
[10:24:19] <darkprince> Yeah, lets wait for him to get back :D
[10:24:24] <darkprince> I am from India :)
[10:24:29] <Boquete> Cool :)
[10:24:31] <Boquete> :)
[10:24:48] <darkprince> what about you guys? Boquete and ty221?
[10:24:56] <ty221> Poland
[10:24:57] <ty221> UTC+1
[10:25:05] <ty221> You are probably in UTC+5.30
[10:25:10] <darkprince> Yup :)
[10:25:29] <darkprince> Since when have you been contributing to sugar? ty221?
[10:27:20] <Boquete> Pretty girl is washing my car :D
[10:27:30] <ty221> darkprince: about ~2 weeks
[10:28:41] <Boquete> Im not even in Sugar Labd :D
[10:28:46] <darkprince> nice :)
[10:29:08] <darkprince> Boquete: then where?
[10:29:29] <Boquete> Im freelancer :D
[10:30:00] <ty221> He is part of Sugar community
[10:30:06] <ty221> However he's not member
[10:30:10] <ty221> hi walterbender
[10:30:20] <walterbender> good day
[10:30:24] <Boquete> Yes
[10:30:28] <Boquete> Hello
[10:30:47] <ty221> walterbender: Have you seen our lastest changes to website?
[10:30:48] <darkprince> Hello :)
[10:30:53] <ty221> http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/
[10:30:57] * walterbender looks
[10:30:57] <darkprince> I'll be back soon :)
[10:30:58] <Boquete> walterbender: what do you think about change in that Big WELCOME TO header?
[10:31:04] <Boquete> Ok darkprince
[10:32:02] <walterbender> looking good
[10:32:13] <walterbender> any idea re loading speeds?
[10:32:35] <walterbender> ty221, I haven't looked at samdroiid's patch. Have you by any chance?
[10:33:29] <ty221> walterbender: Yeah, I checked his work. He implemented new UI, which I personally do not like. However he made many optimization changes we can use it our project, like e.g. using SASS and writing Liquid/Jekyll plugin
[10:34:05] <Boquete> +1
[10:35:50] <ty221> I think it would be better if we will work with us and help us in improving current website and UI rather than creating new one. walterbender ^^^
[10:39:07] <Abhishek> walterbender: ty221 loading speed has improved a bit :) ty221 but i would suggest u to load blocking scripts (jquery & bootstap.js) asyncly :)
[10:39:53] <ty221> Abhishek: Ok. I will try. I have to test, isn't that breaking site functions, like e.g. loading bar which is being hidden by jQuery
[10:43:55] <ty221> walterbender: Do you have any suggestions to UI?
[10:46:29] <walterbender> ty221, let me check out sam's work. Meanwhile, you should cherry-pick his optimizaitons
[10:47:13] <ty221> walterbender: Ok. I will cherry-pick his Activities optimization
[10:47:31] <ty221> This second commit can't be cherry-picked, because it contains radical UI changes
[10:51:12] <Abhishek> walterbender: ping
[11:05:34] <abhinav> walterbender, ping
[11:15:01] <Abhishek> dnarvaez: ping
[12:04:35] <jayesh92> I was trying to setup the dev environment from the instuctions at http://sugarlabs.org/~buildbot/docs/dev-environment.md.html
[12:04:49] <jayesh92> build gives me the following error
[12:05:06] <jayesh92> Command failed: volo -nostamp -f add Error: connect ECONNREFUSED
[12:05:38] <jayesh92> Do i have to configure my proxy in some config files
[12:08:14] <Boquete> Boquete: Ping
[12:08:43] <ty221> żal
[12:08:50] <ty221> again self-pinging?
[12:22:05] <ignacio> sugarbot, ping
[12:22:06] <sugarbot> ignacio, pong
[12:25:13] <meeting> *t
[12:56:31] <abhinav> walterbender, ping
[12:57:16] <ty221> walterbender: ping
[12:57:52] * walterbender at lunch... back in 15 minutes
[12:58:28] <ty221> okok
[13:05:52] <darkprince> hey
[13:06:13] <darkprince> ty221: ping
[13:06:22] <darkprince> Boquete, ping
[13:10:36] <Boquete> Yes
[13:10:38] <Boquete> Yes
[13:14:29] <darkprince> What's up Boquete? :)
[13:14:55] <darkprince> Doing any stuff?
[13:15:21] <Boquete> Now instaling Windows on dual boot
[13:15:30] <Boquete> And family party There is too xd
[13:16:25] <darkprince> where are you from?
[13:18:24] <artista> walterbender, hello
[13:19:04] <Boquete> Poland
[13:25:22] <artista> walterbender, ping
[13:34:26] <walterbender> abhinav, I am back; ty221, I am back
[13:34:51] <abhinav> walterbender, welcome back
[13:35:06] <walterbender> what's up?
[13:35:18] <abhinav> Doing good
[13:35:56] <abhinav> our main focus is javascript or python editor?
[13:36:42] <abhinav> if its just javascript, things will be really easy.
[13:37:21] <abhinav> walterbender
[13:37:23] <ty221> walterbender: any suggestion to ui/
[13:37:51] <walterbender> ty221, I think the next step is for me to consolidate the text
[13:38:02] <ty221> ok...
[13:38:12] <ty221> Whose UI you like more? walterbender
[13:38:22] <walterbender> abhinav, please remind me of the context?
[13:38:39] <walterbender> ty221, I haven't looked at samdroid's patch yet :P
[13:39:01] <ty221> walterbender: Ok. https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/ there it is
[13:39:02] <ty221> :D
[13:39:48] <abhinav> oh sorry, I am talking about the Turtle Blocks inline project
[13:40:40] <abhinav> walterbender
[13:41:20] <walterbender> abhinav, I guess I am more interested in the JS version at the moment.
[13:42:41] <abhinav> cool, now the things will be exactly the same as blocky
[13:42:54] <ty221> walterbender: Please ping me when ur done
[13:43:05] <walterbender> ty221, will do
[13:43:09] <abhinav> and we can completely refer to them while designing the blocks
[13:43:16] <ty221> thx walterbender
[13:43:37] <walterbender> abhinav, certainly look at blocky, yes
[13:44:15] <abhinav> walterbender, one more thing
[13:45:32] <abhinav> how are these 2 project ideas different : 1) Turtle Blocks inline Javascript 2) Turtle Blocks for in-line programming
[13:45:55] <abhinav> arent they almost the same?
[13:46:37] <walterbender> abhinav, related but not the same
[13:47:15] <walterbender> the idea behind #1 is to use TB as a resource for other projects; the idea behind #2 is to use TB to create other projects
[13:47:15] <soakbot> Ticket 2: wpa support for NM07 in sugar head. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2
[13:47:15] <soakbot> Ticket 1: Add support to Browse for distro-customised start page. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1
[13:48:04] <abhinav> well summed up walterbender
[13:49:37] <abhinav> even now, #1 will be a checkpoint to achieve #2
[13:49:38] <soakbot> Ticket 2: wpa support for NM07 in sugar head. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2
[13:49:38] <soakbot> Ticket 1: Add support to Browse for distro-customised start page. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1
[13:54:10] <artista> walterbender, ping
[13:54:22] <walterbender> artista, pong
[13:54:41] <abhinav> walterbender, preparing a mockup. Will send u soon.
[13:55:40] <quidam> adding sugar 104 to trisquel
[13:55:51] <quidam> just built it and seems to work nicely
[13:56:12] <quidam> walterbender: visiting boston next month, btw
[13:56:31] <artista> walterbender, regarding the zoom in/out of turtle art ....
[13:56:49] <walterbender> quidam, I should be around for the first three weeks :)
[13:56:53] <walterbender> then off to India
[13:57:26] <walterbender> quidam, maybe you could chime in on the website redesign efforts? I know it is one of your areas of expertise.
[13:57:54] <artista> walterbender, We have used drawingarea for the same and I am unable to think or find methods to zoom
[13:59:35] <quidam> walterbender: I'll be there the 19 to 23
[13:59:54] <quidam> walterbender: yeah, I have that mockup and I'm pending to make it into a drupal template
[13:59:59] <quidam> got sidetracked, though
[14:03:34] <walterbender> quidam, OK. I'll be around durng that window
[14:03:49] <walterbender> quidam, we have a few mockups from the community:
[14:04:16] <walterbender> http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ and https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/
[14:07:47] <quidam> mine is at http://people.sugarlabs.org/~quidam/sugarlabs/
[14:08:00] <quidam> it is interesting that some ideas are similar
[14:09:13] <quidam> I'll borrow some pieces from those other two
[14:09:49] <quidam> I need to make a template for a node page
[14:15:40] <artista> walterbender, ping
[14:16:00] <walterbender> artista, pong
[14:16:08] <artista> walterbender, regarding the zoom in/out of turtle art ....
[14:16:29] <artista> walterbender, We have used DrawingArea for the same and I am unable to think or find methods to zoom
[14:17:32] <walterbender> artista, I will get back to you on it. I recall doing some experiments and it worked but I wasn't happy with the response time on the XO 1 hardware at the time
[14:17:34] <artista> walterbender, I also saw browse activity as you suggested but it has used webkit
[14:17:46] <artista> walterbender, OK
[14:18:05] * walterbender tries to think of other activities that zoon
[14:18:09] <walterbender> zoom
[15:13:24] <ty221> walterbender: ping
[15:13:37] <walterbender> ty221, pong
[15:13:58] <ty221> walterbender: Should I make PR with my and Boquete's changes to UI?
[15:14:07] <ty221> Or is there anything more to improve?
[15:15:24] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> whaait ty221
[15:15:30] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> new loading
[15:15:44] <ty221> Boquete_KiwiBoy: ok
[15:15:48] <ty221> Let us talk on #poxip
[15:15:55] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> k
[15:15:56] <sugarbot> Boquete_KiwiBoy, Hi! We have applied to GSoC 2015.
[15:15:56] <sugarbot> Boquete_KiwiBoy, Please check out http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code
[15:23:39] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> samdroid
[15:23:40] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> ping
[15:24:14] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> samdroid:please visit our poxip chanel if you have time, please.
[15:34:03] <artista> walterbender, ping
[15:34:26] <walterbender> pong
[15:35:04] <artista> walterbender, Did you find something?
[15:35:24] <walterbender> artista, not yet...been working on something else
[15:35:55] <artista> walterbender, Oh sorry! for disturbing you then.....
[15:39:16] <samdroid> walterbender: What do you think about this design? https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/
[15:39:38] <walterbender> samdroid, I like it. fun and clean
[15:39:59] <walterbender> samdroid, did you test download/render speeds?
[15:40:14] <samdroid> I think I should add a section on soas
[15:40:26] <walterbender> samdroid, we need that for sure
[15:40:47] <samdroid> ~4sec according to ff
[15:44:44] <ty221> walterbender: ping
[15:44:53] <walterbender> ty221, pong
[15:45:12] <walterbender> ty221, samdroid how are we going to resolve the differences in your designs?
[15:45:16] <ty221> walterbender: Who is working on this website? I do not understand. We have to exclusive projects
[15:45:50] <walterbender> ty221, we have multiple people contributing to a design effort
[15:45:52] <samdroid> Ok, so here is a plan:
[15:46:03] <samdroid> 1) PRs from everybody
[15:46:06] <ty221> walterbender: Ok, but we have also two separate projects
[15:46:10] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> Lol.
[15:46:14] <walterbender> ty221, I said at the beginning that design by committee difficult
[15:46:38] <samdroid> Boquete_KiwiBoy, ty221: source makes life eaiser
[15:46:48] <walterbender> ty221, compared to the current sl.o the two new desgins look almost identical
[15:46:54] <samdroid> 2) we ask people to comment on both designs
[15:46:56] <ty221> samdroid: I didn't submit PR of my website as it is not finished
[15:47:16] <samdroid> ty221: Sharing source is good & agile
[15:47:16] <ty221> walterbender: Which design you like more?
[15:47:29] <ty221> samdroid: I know. I just do not send unfinished source
[15:47:37] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> Please read it: So when we enter samdroid website its nice. I like that video. And it's done. Here is only nice design and we could use it in the web. BUT -> when we scroll down it's look very bad. Only first look is good. Why don't we just take "UP OF THE PAGE" from samdroid and "DOWN OF THE PAGE" from us?
[15:47:37] <samdroid> 3) We salvage parts of the designs to create a (more) finished project
[15:47:54] <walterbender> ty221, I need to explore them both more in different context, e.g. phone, slow computer, slow connection, etc.
[15:48:05] <ty221> I mean UI walterbender
[15:48:18] <samdroid> Boquete_KiwiBoy: Yeah, that is the attitude
[15:48:36] <samdroid> Boquete_KiwiBoy: But we need to involve the community and do further testing as walterbender has said
[15:48:43] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> Making some OUR vs YOUR is stupid.
[15:48:55] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> when we can create ONE (1) nice website.
[15:49:02] <ty221> I agree Boquete_KiwiBoy
[15:49:09] <samdroid> Boquete_KiwiBoy: BTW: if you want to work on that, here is my code: https://github.com/walterbender/www-sugarlabs/pull/9
[15:49:12] <ty221> There is no point in creating to sepratae projects
[15:49:13] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> walterbender: waiting for your opinion.
[15:49:16] <ty221> This is not a war
[15:49:21] <walterbender> ty221, I think I like getting rid of the top menu bar in sam's design. As you know, I have not thought those buttons are necessary
[15:49:27] <vikramahuja1001> walterbender, Hello.I wanted to talk about the Image Viewer JS Activity . Is it a good time to talk about it?
[15:50:14] <ty221> walterbender: Yeah. We can get top of his website and bottom of ours
[15:50:32] <ty221> samdroid: Working in team is more productive than alone
[15:50:36] <ty221> Or in separate teams
[15:50:41] <walterbender> I think simplifying the activities window has its merits, but I am not sure in Sam's design how to get to the activity portal itself
[15:50:47] <ty221> We would like to create something good together
[15:50:50] <ty221> Not separate
[15:50:56] <ty221> This is power of community
[15:51:06] <walterbender> ty221, I think sam has been making improves off your design
[15:51:17] <samdroid> walterbender: So like a "see more" is needed?
[15:51:19] <walterbender> I don't think he is working contrary to your effortds
[15:51:20] <ty221> walterbender: Yes he did
[15:51:24] <ty221> And I appericate his changes
[15:51:37] <samdroid> walterbender: Also, just an idea
[15:51:43] <ty221> He made a lot of optimizations
[15:51:44] <walterbender> samdroid, something to invite people to goto a2.sl.o
[15:51:48] <ty221> But he removed bootstrap
[15:51:56] <ty221> Which makes things 100 times easier
[15:52:15] <walterbender> ty221, that is a behind-the-scenes technical issue
[15:52:18] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> Just type me when you done. Good bye everyone.
[15:52:26] <walterbender> I thought we were talking design at the moment
[15:52:30] <ty221> Ok
[15:52:34] <samdroid> walterbender: The comic is very nice, maybe it could make the "learners" section?
[15:52:36] <ty221> Let's discuis design
[15:52:50] <ty221> samdroid: In my project it actually makes it
[15:53:11] <walterbender> samdroid, as I was saying to ty221 earlier, I need to cut way back on the text
[15:53:17] <samdroid> yeah
[15:53:23] <walterbender> we can have links to more info throughout
[15:53:33] <samdroid> +1
[15:53:44] <walterbender> looking at either design on a phone sucks because of all the text which is my fault
[15:53:52] * walterbender runs at the mouth
[15:54:36] <ty221> text is in general not our domain (mine and samdroid ), it rather belongs to walterbender
[15:54:46] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> I'm not sure we are
[15:54:46] <ty221> We need to focus now on technical&design issues
[15:54:51] <walterbender> maybe I can work on that tomorrow. I cannot do much more today
[15:55:19] <samdroid> :)
[15:55:31] <walterbender> ty221, IMHO we need to address the issues raised by James Cameron
[15:55:54] <walterbender> that is the foremost technical/design issue for both you and sam
[15:56:20] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> Sorry I'm not talking about "design" right now. I told what i think and not really have time. ty221 Please make screenshots or copy the messages with instrucions. I will be back in ~1 hours.
[15:56:24] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> hour*
[15:56:32] <ty221> walterbender: This website is FAST
[15:56:46] <ty221> It is confirmed by GOogle Page Speed test
[15:56:59] <ty221> And Pingdom test too
[15:57:07] <ty221> 86/100 in google test
[15:57:38] <ty221> 85/100 in pingdom test
[15:57:44] <ty221> 1.7MB
[15:57:52] <ty221> Faster than 73% websites
[15:57:54] <vikramahuja1001> ignacio, ping
[15:57:54] <ty221> walterbender: ^^^
[15:58:14] <samdroid> which?
[15:58:24] <ty221> mine one
[15:59:24] <ty221> samdroid: by pingdom your website is 0,2 sec faster
[15:59:27] <ty221> It is not much
[15:59:34] <ty221> And it has lower grade in test
[15:59:48] <Boquete> But we can use this video on The top
[16:00:08] <Boquete> Down need changed
[16:00:15] <Boquete> Changes
[16:00:22] <walterbender> how about the page at sl.o ?
[16:00:24] <ty221> I just want to point that my website IS fast
[16:00:32] <ty221> It is not slow
[16:01:01] <ty221> I do not know how about XO's however I think 99,99% traffic is generated by standard computers
[16:01:07] <Boquete> Sugar Labs Page is loolking like only in HTML. ITs need to be fast
[16:01:30] <ty221> Boquete: which one u mean?
[16:01:40] <Boquete> Actuall
[16:01:50] <ty221> It is not pure HTML
[16:02:06] <ty221> It is HTML generated by PHP basing on XML
[16:02:31] <ty221> samdroid: ping
[16:02:44] <ty221> I am really not sure why you think my website is slow
[16:02:50] <ty221> ...
[16:02:56] <walterbender> let's agree to this: /me will work on a content pruning over the next 24 hours.
[16:03:13] <Boquete> ty221: remove loading etc
[16:03:25] <ty221> walterbender: Ok. But what should we do in next 24 hours?
[16:03:26] <samdroid> P.S. what do you think about this kind of thing for the soas section? https://moqups.com/sam.parkinson3@gmail.com/vSiUbvSG
[16:04:01] <ty221> walterbender: Should we work on our design or not?
[16:04:33] <walterbender> ty221, can you and sam reach consensus on the underlying engine???
[16:04:53] <walterbender> we can get more community feedback about the page appearance
[16:05:26] <walterbender> samdroid, I am not crazy about the graphics, but the content is about right (SoaS page)
[16:05:36] <ty221> Let us ask on both mailing lists which design is better
[16:05:48] <ty221> Democracy
[16:06:02] <walterbender> ty221, or which features we want from each design
[16:06:06] <ty221> I am not sure is that worth to improve my UI if in one case it won't be ever used...
[16:06:18] <samdroid> ty221: Don't frame it it US vs THEM!
[16:06:23] <walterbender> we can learn from both to make yet another, better solution
[16:06:26] <samdroid> ty221: And don't be so negative
[16:06:34] <ty221> I am not negative
[16:06:45] <ty221> I do not like some aspects of your UI
[16:06:46] <ty221> That is all
[16:06:57] <ty221> And I am angry you want to loose our whole work
[16:07:01] <walterbender> in any case, I think you guys a moving us in a good new direction
[16:07:05] <walterbender> long overdue
[16:07:08] <walterbender> thank you
[16:07:33] <Boquete> Why not my idea with up samdrod down our ;D
[16:07:39] <ty221> walterbender: I hope we will create something better
[16:07:47] <Boquete> That would look awesome
[16:07:52] <ty221> Boquete: Yeah
[16:07:54] <ty221> Probably
[16:08:00] <ty221> But we cant get consensus here
[16:08:46] <walterbender> ty221, the other important point is that you are moving us to a place where we can actually have this discussion. the old website was not friendly to contributions
[16:09:18] <ty221> Yeah.
[16:09:21] <ty221> It was CMS based
[16:10:11] <walterbender> samdroid, one issue with your background movie: it has a white noise audio track
[16:11:21] <samdroid> Oh :)
[16:11:30] <samdroid> That was unintentional :)
[16:11:31] <Boquete> Told him.
[16:12:09] <samdroid> Videos are hard Boquete, it takes time to fix... unless you are a ffmpeg wizzard?
[16:12:36] <samdroid> Boquete: Do you know how?
[16:14:30] <Boquete> Whats The quastion i was afk
[16:14:46] <samdroid> Boquete: Do you know how to remove the audio?
[16:15:00] <samdroid> oh, found it on so
[16:15:55] <Boquete> Yes
[16:15:59] <Boquete> Ów ok
[16:21:53] <walterbender> samdroid, on a different topic altogether
[16:22:09] <walterbender> samdroid, I changed the way boxes work (slightly)
[16:22:36] <walterbender> there is now a block to access the box value without using box <--name
[16:22:41] <walterbender> more simple
[16:22:57] <walterbender> but I kept box <-- name too so that name could be computed
[16:23:11] <walterbender> (to define dictionaries, arrays, etc)
[16:23:20] <walterbender> not sure if it is a good idea or not
[16:23:33] <walterbender> but I do o=know people get confused by boxes
[16:23:51] <walterbender> samdroid, works with the add to block :)
[16:29:17] <Boquete> Samdroid ur Page dosent work mobile
[16:33:00] <Boquete> Now testing on IPhone actually.
[16:43:45] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> ty221:how about: Let's create our website with just adding this "video" background. Another way but let's use it and see what we got.
[16:48:43] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> walterbender: what do you think about that we will connect it to one project? But we will stay with bootstrap. Even now we can see that our page is fully mobile and there is no problems like with second web. :/
[16:49:46] <walterbender> Boquete_KiwiBoy, I am not quite following you
[16:50:28] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> you mean?
[16:51:10] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> Let's talk about it finally- what is good what is bad
[16:54:27] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> walterbender:^?
[16:54:47] <walterbender> Boquete_KiwiBoy, personally, I am not crazy about video, but I am old and ornery
[16:55:00] <walterbender> e.g., not the target audience
[16:55:23] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> So what's the "pluses" of Samdroid project?
[16:55:31] <walterbender> but I like the simple heads and the overall spacing on sam's design
[16:55:42] <walterbender> which is more or less a css change
[16:55:59] <walterbender> and I like getting rid of all the buttons and pull down menus
[16:56:49] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> Ok great, that's what I'm talking about. Now we know what to do :)
[16:57:12] <walterbender> Boquete_KiwiBoy, that is just my opinion... I am just one voice
[16:57:22] <walterbender> a loud one :P
[16:57:47] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> You are not the only one we are asking- so it's GOOD ANYAW. Every voice means a lot.
[16:59:18] <ty221> walterbender: loudest probably
[16:59:22] <ty221> :p
[16:59:42] <walterbender> oldest and most grumpy
[16:59:42] <ty221> walterbender: i do not like concurrence
[17:00:01] <ty221> I am not sure should i work on project of website or just abandon it
[17:00:10] <ty221> If Sams one is better
[17:00:48] <walterbender> ty221, I don't know enough to evaluate the backend which I think it the most important thing to get right at this stage
[17:01:04] <walterbender> but you keep switching to whose CSS is better
[17:01:21] <walterbender> let's get the backend settled
[17:03:22] <ty221> walterbender: hmmm I think our approach to design is better
[17:03:35] <ty221> However we can improve these dropdowns
[17:03:42] <ty221> And implement video
[17:03:49] <Boquete_KiwiBoy>
[17:03:55] <ty221> Other parts of Sams work I do not like
[17:04:28] <ty221> I do like that kind of "wars" in opensource
[17:04:43] <ty221> We are all volunteers there and share our time
[17:04:58] <ty221> There is no enough place for two projects
[17:05:13] <ty221> Why one work should go trash?
[17:05:18] <ty221> Pointless
[17:05:32] <ty221> We should connect in one team and work toghetger
[17:05:41] <ty221> Then we can create something awesome
[17:05:52] <ty221> Otherwise it just loosing of time
[17:06:00] <ty221> walterbender: ^^^
[17:06:09] <walterbender> ty221, I agree, but at the same time, this is an iterative process
[17:06:25] <walterbender> I have to rewrite patches all the time
[17:06:44] <walterbender> and sam responded to your work with some new ideas
[17:07:05] <ty221> I see he removed nav and added video
[17:07:20] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> He could told us about them not creating new project and be "rude" for us.
[17:07:42] <ty221> But he also removed a lot of other useful stuff like gallery and bootstrap
[17:07:43] <walterbender> Boquete_KiwiBoy, I don't follow
[17:07:58] <ty221> He also removed our progress with UI
[17:08:16] <ty221> His website is only ~0,3sec faster
[17:08:22] <ty221> And is not well responsive
[17:08:22] <satellit> http://wikieducator.org/User:Vtaylor/Sugar_manual an older attempt at a wiki
[17:08:54] <satellit> nice to have your option too
[17:09:05] <ty221> I think we should work together... And not remove useful, already checked and nice stuff created already
[17:09:09] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> He don't want to create something with us, one project. He don't want to help us. He just want to make his own web which he think will win- and he can say "Hay- you loose". Nonsense
[17:09:24] <ty221> We are community
[17:09:35] <ty221> We should work together
[17:09:36] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> Not enemies.
[17:09:40] <satellit> +1
[17:09:46] <ty221> No enemies no concurrence
[17:10:10] <walterbender> Boquete_KiwiBoy, ty221 I think you are both overstating
[17:10:15] <ty221> I think this is my advantage of opensource commuites
[17:10:21] <walterbender> sam made a sketch
[17:10:27] <walterbender> we are responding to it
[17:10:37] <ty221> walterbender: yes
[17:10:38] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> You know only what he wrote HERE.
[17:10:47] <ty221> But we also talked with him on other channel
[17:10:49] <walterbender> how is that contrary to being a responsible member of the community
[17:10:50] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> We know what he wrote on our canal too- there he told us everything.
[17:11:23] <ty221> He wants to his website win with ours
[17:11:55] <ty221> This is not normal
[17:12:01] <ty221> I do not like aruging
[17:12:12] <Boquete_KiwiBoy> like a kid :v
[17:12:21] <ty221> I try to be responsible and nice member of community
[17:12:35] <ty221> So I won't tell anything more
[17:12:45] <ty221> Let others decide
[17:12:50] <ty221> I told what I think
[17:15:05] <ty221> walterbender: decision is up to you. I will wait for it. Please ping me when you are done. I will repeat one more time - we have to cooperate
[17:17:27] <ty221> Brb
[17:17:33] <walterbender> ty221, I need to head out for a few hours
[17:17:47] <walterbender> let's continue our discussion later
[17:17:55] <ty221> walterbender: ok.
[17:18:12] <ty221> So bye for now
[17:18:15] <ty221> Have a nice day
[17:45:09] <abhinav> walterbender, ping
[20:49:36] <vikramahuja1001> ignacio, ping
[20:49:44] <ignacio> pong
[20:51:06] <vikramahuja1001> ignacio, what do think about these functions to image viewer JS .
[20:51:09] <vikramahuja1001> http://fpaste.org/191795/51555081/
[20:51:15] <vikramahuja1001> ignacio, ^
[20:52:46] <vikramahuja1001> ignacio, I will be discussing these ideas with walterbender. Just wanted your views first.
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