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Date : 30-03-2015

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[00:21:30] <walterbender> k_yash, hi
[00:21:47] <walterbender> finally have an internet connection for a few minutes :)
[00:21:57] <k_yash> congos :)
[00:21:58] <walterbender> but off to meeting across town...
[00:22:24] <k_yash> you had a meeting in India too ?
[00:28:42] <walterbender> yes...
[00:28:50] <walterbender> at Homi Bhabha Center
[00:28:54] <walterbender> and a Turtle workshop
[00:30:21] <Quozl`_> http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/z/1YcRKR.txt ... how do I get at the data in a GLib.Bytes? (on glib 2.34.2).
[00:35:06] <k_yash> walterbender wow, I'll get back to you...I have a class now... bye
[00:35:11] <walterbender> ttyl
[01:09:30] <iamutkarsh> Hello! Could anyone here please redirect me to require.js documentation?
[06:13:20] <Abhishek__> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags :p worth go through :D
[07:03:57] <GitHub49> [sugar-toolkit-gtk3] SAMdroid-apps closed pull request #198: Fix the badge location for icons (master...fix-icon-badge) http://git.io/j2rT
[08:46:41] <SABRINARUAN-4638> sabrina
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[09:23:47] <walterbender> hi
[09:23:57] <walterbender> tch, rafikh
[09:24:08] <rafikh> Hello
[09:24:11] <tch> walterbender, rafikh hello!
[09:24:15] <walterbender> we are discussing how to grab Sugar stats
[09:25:06] <tch> walterbender, have you mentioned previous work related to stats?
[09:25:13] <walterbender> yes
[09:25:21] <walterbender> but maybe you can give a quick overview?
[09:25:26] <tch> sure,
[09:26:00] <tch> rafikh, all the work related to sugar stats use the sugar journal,
[09:26:04] <rafikh> I have used analyzejournal
[09:26:22] <rafikh> it gives basic statistics
[09:27:02] <walterbender> but tch added some new stats
[09:27:23] <tch> rafikh, most of the solutions for journal stats are base on (a) what activity, and (b) when, but we recently added a (c) for how long
[09:27:56] <rafikh> tch ok
[09:28:04] <rafikh> that is good
[09:28:05] <tch> rafikh, journal entries have other metadata, like if these were created collaboratively and with how many peers,
[09:28:48] <tch> rafikh, this is something we developed for OLPC-Australia http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Harvest
[09:28:49] <rafikh> with new activity/program can we get that data as well
[09:29:40] <tch> rafikh, as long as they are proper sugar activities, yes
[09:30:19] <tch> rafikh, if you take a look at that article you can see what kind of metadata can be gathered
[09:30:27] <rafikh> tch, this would help
[09:31:19] <tch> rafikh, there are other ways to automatize this, but they all require to have school servers and a automatic backup mechanisms
[09:31:52] <rafikh> tch, ok. but right now we don't have automatics backup mechanism
[09:32:18] <tch> rafikh, do you have school servers?
[09:32:41] <tch> rafikh, I mean, servers you can actually access
[09:32:45] <rafikh> tch, I have xo and I have schoolserver but as we have only 22 xos we have not used schoolserver
[09:33:38] <tch> rafikh, ok, with harvest you set a server in the schoolserver or some other place if you have internet access
[09:35:37] <rafikh> tch, ok. I have two things- a) have backup of journal taken with backup.xo activity from each xo b) I have xos which still contain data which I can push to schoolserver
[09:35:48] <rafikh> tch, which one will be better?
[09:37:45] <tch> rafikh, if you still have xos with data, then you should use harvest, in that case you don't need backups at all,
[09:37:55] <rafikh> tch, can I use Harvest project to get stat from data collected with backup.xo activity?
[09:38:15] <rafikh> tch, ohh great
[09:38:16] <tch> rafikh, for getting stats from backups you need a different tools like XoVis
[09:39:16] <tch> rafikh, Harvest collects data directly from journal, while other tools like XoVis require backups files
[09:39:35] <rafikh> tch,ok as I still have xos with data, I'll use harvest
[09:40:28] <tch> rafikh, there are always pros and cons, harvest only covers automatic collection but doesn't does provide visualization tools
[09:40:44] <tch> rafikh, also, harvest require user 0.100 or newer
[09:41:01] <tch> err, I mean sugar version 0.100 or newer
[09:41:49] <tch> rafikh, XoVis does provide visualization, but requires backups files
[09:42:15] <rafikh> tch, no we have either 0.96 or 0.98
[09:42:53] <rafikh> I have backup files, can you tell me about XoVis
[09:43:41] <rafikh> tch, by backup files I mean zip folders given by backup.xo activity
[09:44:37] <tch> rafikh, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Community_Edition/Features/XOvis
[09:46:07] <tch> rafikh, you will probably need to unify these files, because ALL other stats mechanism assume they will use backups from schoolserver, which has a specific path structure
[09:46:23] <tch> path structure in the file system
[09:47:35] <rafikh> tch, ok. so I have to first extract content in .xmj files and unify them
[09:48:55] <tch> rafikh, I havent used that backup actvity in years, I don't recall whats in the zip file
[09:49:28] <rafikh> tch, it is .xmj file
[09:50:10] <rafikh> tch which has all the folders taken from /datastore
[09:50:22] <tch> rafikh, you need to check https://github.com/martasd/xovis/tree/master/process_stats
[09:50:46] <tch> rafikh, to get an idea of what FS path structure is expected
[09:51:50] <rafikh> tch, ok
[09:54:34] <rafikh> tch, instead can I just push data in xo to schoolserver and then run xovis on it
[09:54:57] <rafikh> tch, it will automatically have required file structure
[09:55:50] <tch> rafikh, you probably don't need a real XS, just need to "comply" with the path structure in the machine where you unify the files
[09:56:02] <vikramahuja1001_> tch: Hello
[09:56:40] <tch> vikramahuja1001_, hey!
[09:56:43] <rafikh> tch, ok I'll try that
[09:57:21] <vikramahuja1001_> tch: can you review my PR in browse activity when you are free?
[09:57:42] <rafikh> tch, thanks a lot, I will try running XoVis and see what I can get, If I have any problem I'll get back to you
[09:59:17] <vikramahuja1001_> tch: https://github.com/sugarlabs/browse-activity/pull/3
[09:59:30] <tch> rafikh, sure, email would work, tch@sugarlabs.org.. include Martin Dluhos too , the creator of XoVis martin@gnu.org
[10:00:25] <rafikh> tch, ok, thanks
[10:00:54] <tch> vikramahuja1001_, checking
[10:00:58] <tch> rafikh, np
[10:04:23] <tch> vikramahuja1001_, it would only work for 9 tabs right?
[10:04:45] <vikramahuja1001_> tch: yes , only on nine
[10:05:19] <vikramahuja1001_> tch: In most of browsers it works till nine only.
[10:06:24] <tch> vikramahuja1001_, I think the webkit viewer already handles the ctrl+PgUp and ctrl+PgDn keys to switch tabs, but apparently work only if the focus is in the viewer
[10:06:34] <tch> vikramahuja1001_, maybe you can add that too?
[10:07:17] <vikramahuja1001_> tch: I will look into it.
[10:07:27] <tch> vikramahuja1001_, btw, please write to Gonzalo Odiard, who is the browser maintainer
[10:08:01] <vikramahuja1001_> tch: thanks and i will write to him
[10:08:26] <tch> vikramahuja1001_, thanks to you for the patch ;)
[10:09:40] <tch> vikramahuja1001_, gonzalo_
[10:09:55] <vikramahuja1001_> gonzalo_: Hello
[10:10:04] <vikramahuja1001_> tch: thanks
[10:11:49] <gonzalo_> hi vikramahuja1001_
[10:12:04] <reubencaron> gonzalo_: tch: are you free now?
[10:12:32] <tch> reubencaron, yes
[10:12:50] <vikramahuja1001_> hello gonzalo_ , can you check this PR https://github.com/sugarlabs/browse-activity/pull/3 whenever you are free ?
[10:18:22] <tch> gonzalo_, reubencaron ping
[10:18:28] <gonzalo_> pong
[10:18:35] <reubencaron> tch: i sent email
[11:13:20] <Mandeep_Singh> walterbender, ping
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[14:40:15] <Abhishek__> http://deity.gov.in/sites/upload_files/dit/files/policy_on_adoption_of_oss.pdf ! But unless they involve more civic devs to NIC (rather than outsourcing) it looks tough to come into effect. Nice step though.
[14:40:53] <Abhishek__> walterbender: thr ?
[14:41:04] <walterbender> hi Abhishek__
[14:41:32] <walterbender> Abhishek__, I pushed a patch to the Turtle Blocks/Pippy bug :)
[14:41:52] <Abhishek__> walterbender: whats ur view about govt. e-gov apps being put open source.
[14:41:59] <Abhishek__> walterbender: yeah i will check now
[14:42:30] <Abhishek__> walterbender: also how helpful is Code for America to US ?
[14:43:00] <walterbender> I don't really know.
[14:43:13] <Abhishek__> walterbender: i fixed few py-physics issues , learning python so pretty slow :p
[14:43:27] <walterbender> hopefully more helpful than Teach for America, which is a program I am not a fan of.
[14:43:51] <walterbender> python is worth it... a very clean language
[14:44:17] <walterbender> oh. missed your first question
[14:44:30] <walterbender> I think all e-gov apps should be open
[14:46:01] <Abhishek__> yes walter right. +1
[14:46:23] <Abhishek__> walterbender: how was ur India trip ! :p
[14:48:46] <walterbender> Just read that India made their announcement about e-gov. Good news.
[14:49:05] <walterbender> One more day in India... one more day of meetings.
[14:49:27] <walterbender> But a very nice trip... fun workshop with 4th graders today.
[14:51:39] <jairath> There is hackathon in New Delhi on 17 & 18 April, Policy Hack, with a theme to use the data made available by gov
[14:52:36] <jairath> Developing app that would help gov make better policies, improve governance and tackle corruption
[14:52:36] <walterbender> nice
[14:53:04] <Abhishek__> (y) great. Walter plz get us XO laptops in india as well. You must speak to govt. once ! Public school needs it badly. After a recent talk with delhi edu ministry, they r looking forward to it.
[14:53:40] <shrey_yay_> Abhishek__ +1
[14:55:30] <Abhishek__> i went to my college kidergarten school on 26th. showed them few pics and sugar activities , ran sl activities as well. very exciting :p feedback
[14:55:32] <k_yash> walterbender, I'm working on zoom and scroll in palettes
[14:56:13] <Abhishek__> jairath: i m part of it :p almost finished one app :p
[14:57:11] <jairath> Abhishek__, great (y)
[14:58:33] <Abhishek__> jairath: made tags solr search for issues for Delhi ACB as well (Anti Corruption Branch) realsing on 5th april :)
[15:00:35] <shrey_yay_> Abhishek__, how do you get these govt. projects?
[15:00:37] <Abhishek__> walterbender: plz share the workshop event.
[15:00:59] <jairath> shrey_yay_, +1
[15:01:18] <Abhishek__> shrey_yay_: i m part of AAP :p
[15:01:27] <Abhishek__> for last 2 yrs
[15:01:44] <Abhishek__> so through them
[15:02:03] <jairath> I voted for them :-P
[15:02:15] <Abhishek__> jairath: thanks :)
[15:02:25] <shrey_yay_> Abhishek__, I hope you stay a part of AAP ;)
[15:07:28] <bytestorm_> Abhishek__: how do I start working with bug fixing?? I opened the list but which one should I try I am also a newbie in python
[15:09:45] <bytestorm_> Abhishek__: how do I start working with bug fixing?? I opened the list but which one should I try I am also a newbie in python
[15:11:22] <Abhishek__> bytestorm_: the 1st step i feel is to understand the bug. if thats done. Its easy to fix them
[15:11:49] <Abhishek__> did u understand any bug properly
[15:12:55] <bytestorm_> ya https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4800
[15:13:10] <bytestorm_> but not much details in here though
[15:16:51] <Abhishek__> bytestorm_: are u able to hear the sudio in ur speak ?
[15:16:56] <Abhishek__> *audio
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[15:17:47] <Abhishek__> coz it works for me.
[15:18:10] <bytestorm_> Abhishek__: last time I checked no it wasn't working
[15:18:53] <Abhishek__> which platform u r on ?
[15:19:56] <bytestorm_> Ubuntu 14.04 in vmware
[15:26:25] <Abhishek__> bytestorm_: its working fine for me, may be report or cc the bug to walter once. He worked on speak
[15:26:59] <bytestorm_> ok I will try it once more first
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